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11-30-2009, 10:09 AM
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High levels of Copper in my oil.
I've been running Amsoil 15w40 and a FS2500 filter for the past 20k miles. The oil was analyzed at 10k and was good. I had it analyzed again at 20k and there were high levels of copper in it. More than normal wear.
I started using 2 stroke oil in each tank of fuel as added lubrication for my fuel. Could that be causing the higher levels of copper. I haven't changed anything else?
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11-30-2009, 01:14 PM
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Here's my $.02 and this is just my opinion on analizing oil:
OK, you have high copper, what does that mean??? Seriously, are you going to do an engine teardown now and find out the problem?? Didn't think so. I wouldn't. I'd wait till something happened then fix it. So why do oil samples? Again, nothing against you or anyone that does it.......I'm just saying. I've been around people that do the oil analizing thing religiously. They read the paper, comment and ..........do nothing about it. one of my friends had real high copper in his oil. I asked "ok when are we going to pull the engine and tear it down??" His answer was, "well, I guess we will just wait till we hear a knocking noise". That was many years ago.  and no engine teardown as of yet. Now to the high copper. I don't think 2-stoke oil in the fuel would give you high copper in the oil. I'm sure some blows by the cyl rings, but I would think it would have to be a lot to mix with the oil and start to change the viscosity of the oil enough to start wearing the bearings. I guess it's possible, but it seems like a bit of a stretch. Maybe others will know better, I only deal with 2-stroke oil in weed-eaters and dirt bikes.
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12-01-2009, 04:53 AM
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I would think the company that did the oil analysis would offer some possible reasons for the "high copper" condition. If not, I would find another company to use for oil analysis, or like RTToys suggested, forget oil analysis.
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12-01-2009, 08:39 AM
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they suggested that it might be parasitic loss from the oil cooler
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12-01-2009, 09:20 AM
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 HHmmm interesting.
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12-02-2009, 09:27 PM
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It might be?
You might want to get a second opinion. What company did you use for the analysis?
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12-03-2009, 08:07 PM
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ALS Labratory group. The kit(collection bottle and shipping package) is supplied by filtration solutions. Here is exactly what they said: "The higher than normal copper level is due to "leaching" of copper oxide from the oil cooler and does not indicate a related wear problem. Abrasive and other contaminant levels are acceptable. Viscosity within specified operating range."
Filtration Solutions suggested changing oil and filters and testing in 5k miles.
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12-03-2009, 09:55 PM
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I'd have to say that what you have stated is similar to others that have posted with this situation. Re-test with a shorter run interval.
Others have changed oil types and claim improved results, but I never followed up to see if this really helped in the long run. One would think that using a product that provides the most lubrication with the least resistance would be the best situation, and that, along with improved pumpability in cold weather, is where the synthetics shine.
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